I emailed 43folders.com regarding this as well, but here is what I’m wondering…

Merlin posted his kGTD screenshot here: http://www.43folders.com/2005/12/07/my-kgtd/ Anyway I am wondering, would you put EVERYTHING in your someday/maybe list over on the left?

1) Would you map out an entire new product/web site in there, or use something else for it (DevonThink or a separate OO doc maybe)?

2) And one thing regarding Projects, all that is shown there are some broad categories, Home life, Me, etc.. Would you normally (in the case of being the editor of 43f) have other projects in there as well “Write new article for 43f re:GREATNEWTHING”? Or a separate 43F root, with sub-projects in it?

3) The other thing I’m wondering is his usage of the later-maybe context, wouldn’t it be more classic GTD for these to be in the someday/maybe list? Or would the things you put in there be more like “Single Tasks” that don’t deserve their own line in someday/maybe list?

4) I invite other to post screenshots or outlines of their implementations that seem to work for them. I’ve been having some trouble getting started as I am just baffled as to where certain things will go after the inbox…

-Jon


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Jon, much of those things

Jon, much of those things have been on my mind lately, as I’ve finally got around to actually reading GTD (per Ethan’s exhortation in the beginning of the new video!). So a few thoughts:

  1. when I originally picked up and tinkered with kGTD, I tried to use it to organize (via linking to lots of external documents and inserting lots and lots of notes) too much project support material. It got too crowded and added too much cognitive overhead to using the system. So with the new version of kGTD, I dumped my old file entirely and am trying to use it now for strictly planning. As long as I keep my external support/reference stuff functioning, I shouldn’t need to insert it into the organizing system. So, yes, I’ll use it to “map out” a project, but only isofar as that means organizing actions. Everything else is external, lest looking at the project become too heavy a burden.
  2. My understanding of projects is that everything that will take more than one action should be put into the system as a project. So while some things (household stuff, for example) make sense to group as if their project was a general category, everything else for me gets its own project: Each article, each objective, etc., as long as it will take more than one action — gets a project.
  3. I read later-maybe as getting reviewed slightly sooner/more frequently than someday-maybe.

-Alan


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Alan, Thanks for you input

Alan, Thanks for you input it did help to clarify some things… If anyone else would like to chime in I’d like to hear more opinions as well.

Also, any suggestions for contexts (next action’s or deferred) are welcome as well. I know myself most of my time is spent at a desk in front of a (more than one) computer that is online, so having @computer, @phone, @online, @desk, etc doesn’t seem to make sense, but maybe it does?

Also, I was close to adding a @homework but, this doesn’t seem to flow very well either, anyone else in school constantly getting caught with the “crap, this is due tomorrow and there is a test in X in two days, oh and that lab is due tomorrow too” [My current situation - actually.. bah]


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Hi JonR Maybe it would help

Hi JonR

Maybe it would help to think of contexts as places you will be both physically and mentally. Sometimes you will be equipped with your computer and in the mindset to send a whole bunch of emails, thus @emails; or you might have a phone and in the mindset to make all your calls, thus @calls. Seen in this way, even if the only computer you use and the only phone you use are right next to each other, you’re “in a different place” when you use each, so it really does make sense to separate them as contexts.

For what it’s worth, my contexts are: * home * office * calls * emails * web * offline * errands * campus

So if I’m at my desk at work, I can make visible all the doable tasks I have (office + calls + emails + web + offline), or if I’m up for phone calls I can just look at those.

You’ve gotta read this at 43folders. His use of iCal groups is really helpful.

I think your “@homework” is on the wrong track…

Hope this helps.


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Hey Jon! I’m in school,

Hey Jon!

I’m in school, too, maybe I can chime in on my contexts here. I’ll admit that they’re heavily based off of Merlin Mann’s “Dr. Contextlove” article, as seen on 43 Folders.

Here’s how I handle my schoolwork: Actually, I have a project called “Schoolwork,” and all assignments get dumped in there, where I assign a due date and context immediately. I also set the start date to the day I want to start the assignment, which not only prevents the assignment from syncing into iCal until I should actually be doing it, but also makes the assignment show up in green on the day I should start, which really helps visually for such time-sensitive items… I hardly assign due dates to anything else (see Liz’s comment to this post), so the Schoolwork project has “its own” color-coding scheme, and it’s really almost a system-within-a-system, if that makes sense…

Now then, without further ado, here are the contexts I use regularly. Of course, these will have to be tweaked to fit your system, but that’s a given for anyone implementing GTD, right? You can see some of these contexts in the screenshot of my Schoolwork project, but they apply to almost all of my other projects, as well (right now, I have sixteen projects active)…

  • Brainstorm: stuff I know I want to or need to think on
  • Calls: these are fun to knock out in one fell swoop
  • Chores: “fold clothes,” “take out trash,” “reorganize desk area”… pretty straightforward
  • Decide: when I know I need to make a decision
  • Design: any Photoshop work or artwork or even CCS/XHTML, etc
  • Desk: things that need to happen at my desk, where I have the printer, supplies, etc.
  • Email: emails to send away, replies to compose (still trying to “Zero” my Inbox…)
  • Errands: also very easy to take out in one trip… that’s the point of the context
  • Mac: strictly computer work that doesn’t fall into other contexts (e.g. clean Desktop)
  • Print: things to print off (duh)
  • Read: things to read, for web articles I put the URL in the Notes
  • Research: Googling and researching from books I have at home. Library is an errand.
  • Schedule: events for which a date/time needs to be set, at which point they go to iCal
  • Study: straightforward (like for an exam)
  • WWW: stuff on the Internet, sometimes overlaps with read/research (working on this)
  • Write: things to write, worksheets to do, anything that involves pencil and paper, really

You’ll also notice that kGTD defers contexts with a plus sign as the last character (note: I have less of these than Merlin, probably because I’m still figuring them out):

  • Someday-maybe + : right out of GTD
  • Think about + : whenever I’m iffy about something, usually encompasses a lot of tasks
  • Waiting-on + : waiting on something to happen, also straight from GTD

So, I’m still revising my contexts, but I hope that gives you some insight! If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask. I’m happy to help… after all, kGTD has saved my life! I probably would have gotten hours less sleep this week if I hadn’t discovered it when I did. It’s so incredibly flexible. For example, recurring reminders to “take the trash out” and so forth. Good luck with your own setup, Jon! Now it’s off to knocking out some more Next Actions!


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Wow, what a long post! Of

Wow, what a long post! Of course, you’ll want to take a look at Merlin’s contexts (“Dr. Contextlove”), as well; it probably wasn’t worthwhile writing all of those when he has already…

Oh well, good luck, my man!


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Tfilt & Craig, I appreciate

Tfilt & Craig, I appreciate the input.

I have read the “Dr. Contextlove” article, but your input was very useful as well. I have my iCal setup in the way suggested there, but I will be changing the contexts around a bit of course. I am considering @study, but I don’t think @homework is such a good idea anymore. @study really can be a context as it requires both that I am mentally in a position to study, as well as have the time and am in the right place.

I also think I will stop using due dates unless 100% necessary.

Anyway, going to try to get some work done before class ::gasp:: -Jon


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Hello all- I thought I’d

Hello all- I thought I’d post a fews ways I am using Kgtd, although it is a professional setting. I agree with the challenges that some of you (here and other posts) have with determining contexts. Sometime they are useful, sometimes just neccessary to make the system work.

Useful: @ calls (used for personal calls or calls that can be made in the car). @ Office calls- I need to be at the office b/c I need references that are there. @ emails- another version of calls… @ Errands, @ Chores (I’m married, so its a neccessity), etc - same for everyone… @ Delegated— I added a new column to put initials of the employees I have assigned a task to. Its easy to click on that context to see what is outstanding… although they are presented in random order, not by delegated-names.

Others are used as place holders: @ Review- something to read (contracts, articles, etc) @ Develop- usually an analysis, memo, etc @ Meeting- also placed on ICal, but are useful place holders as needed next step @ Tasks- everything else… doesn’t matter the context, b/c the description defines the task. (i.e. “Follow-up with 4th Door Creative” which could be a call, an email, or waiting-for.)

Here’s my challenge- I sit at a desk ALL day, so I can work from the Kgtd document all the time. I find myself moving from project to project (and back again), looking for which Next Step I should work on next. Too many balls in the air, to focus just on @calls, or @emails, or @ online, etc. I read the book and listened on Itunes… still doesn’t help here… Any ideas???

Also- the system needs to be with me in the car, home, etc when I’m away from the mac. I dusted off my Palm (which is too big to carry all the time). Printing works well, BUT my doc changes too often, so I’m reprinting everytime I leave. I find myself without my security blanket and then realize I could have accomplished something while waiting in traffic…

Another challenge- I work on a lot of deadlines, so Due Date is important. BUT, the Next Steps formatting doesn’t consider dates… only the order I sort the tasks in Kgtd. So I’m ALWAYS having to drag & drop tasks to put them in the right order. ICal to-dos would be ok, but my doc is WAY too long to sync everything, which is the only way of sorting the things I need together.

Well that was a lot of typing that doesn’t say much. If you catch the direction I’m going in, I would love some feedback. If not, thanks for listening… -Jason


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You asked some questions

You asked some questions that I myself am curious about (I’m ready to dust off the old Palm Vx, but it seems too bulky, you’re right)… I’m reprinting at least once a day and the paper waste is getting ridiculous (although I recycle). So, I can’t help you there.

BUT, Merlin Mann just posted a podcast on his site—“Putting Geeks in Context”—that might help answer your first ‘challenge.’ He discusses his idea of super-contexts, that might just be what you’re looking for. Then again, I think that requires working from iCal rather than the kGTD document, and you might not be interested in that.

Either way, good luck! I’ll be watching this thread…


Re: Wondering how people apply GTD to kGTD

I would love to see a tutorial on putting geeks in context lol :))


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